Comments on: Web Sites http://www.iammattthomas.com/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fiammattthomas.com%2Fjournal%2Fweb-sites&seed_title=Web%26%23160%3BSites An enigma, wrapped in a paradox, inside a jelly donut. Tue, 02 Dec 2008 14:17:12 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.7-almost-rc-9983 hourly 1 By: Matt Thomas http://www.iammattthomas.com/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fiammattthomas.com%2Fjournal%2Fweb-sites&seed_title=Web%26%23160%3BSites/comment-page-1#comment-11408 Matt Thomas Sat, 17 May 2008 19:20:37 +0000 http://iammattthomas.com/?p=531#comment-11408 I think you misunderstood what I meant by "degrade," taty. It's not that I don't test in IE6, or IE7, or IE8, or Firefox 2, or whatever... it's that this is 2008, web standards have been standards for years, and there's no reason why we should still be faking with images and hacky markup what can be cleanly done with CSS. So my IE6 users don't see rounded rectangles. Big deal. I own a G4 Cube released around the same time that Internet Explorer 6 was. I recently refreshed the Cube for a friend and tried to install Leopard on it. It practically laughed at me when I launched the installer. So I installed Tiger, and it works ok, but some of the nifty animation and such is missing. This is ok. It's important that our web sites function for the unfortunate majority of users who use outdated browsers. But this isn't the future, this is the present, and as long as organizations like Apple and Mozilla are releasing new browsers with cutting-edge standards support, and making them freely available, there's no point in resorting to hacks for things that CSS can do better. I think you misunderstood what I meant by “degrade,” taty. It’s not that I don’t test in IE6, or IE7, or IE8, or Firefox 2, or whatever… it’s that this is 2008, web standards have been standards for years, and there’s no reason why we should still be faking with images and hacky markup what can be cleanly done with CSS. So my IE6 users don’t see rounded rectangles. Big deal.

I own a G4 Cube released around the same time that Internet Explorer 6 was. I recently refreshed the Cube for a friend and tried to install Leopard on it. It practically laughed at me when I launched the installer. So I installed Tiger, and it works ok, but some of the nifty animation and such is missing. This is ok.

It’s important that our web sites function for the unfortunate majority of users who use outdated browsers. But this isn’t the future, this is the present, and as long as organizations like Apple and Mozilla are releasing new browsers with cutting-edge standards support, and making them freely available, there’s no point in resorting to hacks for things that CSS can do better.

]]> By: taty http://www.iammattthomas.com/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fiammattthomas.com%2Fjournal%2Fweb-sites&seed_title=Web%26%23160%3BSites/comment-page-1#comment-11403 taty Fri, 16 May 2008 00:05:02 +0000 http://iammattthomas.com/?p=531#comment-11403 Guys, I guess you both need to check your website stats and see how many of your visitors have Firefox 3 and Safari. I know, CSS shadows and round corners look beautiful on them, but that is the future for visitors. We (web developers) still have to hack, still have to check our websites on IE, still have to "see" what visitors "see" and work for them. Do not design for designers (yet). Guys, I guess you both need to check your website stats and see how many of your visitors have Firefox 3 and Safari. I know, CSS shadows and round corners look beautiful on them, but that is the future for visitors. We (web developers) still have to hack, still have to check our websites on IE, still have to “see” what visitors “see” and work for them. Do not design for designers (yet).

]]> By: Matt Thomas http://www.iammattthomas.com/feeder/?FeederAction=clicked&feed=Articles+%28RSS2%29&seed=http%3A%2F%2Fiammattthomas.com%2Fjournal%2Fweb-sites&seed_title=Web%26%23160%3BSites/comment-page-1#comment-11382 Matt Thomas Fri, 02 May 2008 03:23:23 +0000 http://iammattthomas.com/?p=531#comment-11382 It's not your eyes, adam, it's your browser. :) Firefox 3 and Safari render rounded corners as beautifully as anything one could do with the old hacky techniques. For those that don't do such a good job (or don't even try), that's a defect of the browser, not the site. It’s not your eyes, adam, it’s your browser. :) Firefox 3 and Safari render rounded corners as beautifully as anything one could do with the old hacky techniques. For those that don’t do such a good job (or don’t even try), that’s a defect of the browser, not the site.

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That said, browser-rendered-rounded corners look like utter shite to my eyes.

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